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Noak on 16:02, 28. Jan, 2010
This is just my opinion but i think that the card Renewal is a really bad card to have in game. Not because its insanley overpowered now (thou cards that requires new flag is really strong with it) but mostly that it prevents the creation of concepts balanced around only being able to be played right after its drawn. I'd love to see more opportunist cards but with Renewal in the game thats just not possible
DPsycho on 18:54, 28. Jan, 2010
What about having a Fragile tag? A card that is Fragile will shatter if it is refreshed or repositioned or exchanged to opponent's hand via card effect.

This should be implementable NOT by having it be an effect that occurs on the play of the card itself, but by having the few cards that do cause such effects (a refreshed New tag, reposition within your hand, or exchange with opponent) have it coded into them to check for the Fragile tag and then, rather than draw the same card into the target position as would normally happen, place either a regular-draw card or a specific dummy card like "Broken shards" or something. (I recognize that passive abilities are not implementable, necessitating the alteration of the cards that cause the New tag to appear, not the target card.)
DPsycho on 19:10, 28. Jan, 2010
Applicable cards would be Renewal, Magic portal, Black market, and Word of power. I figure it shouldn't affect cards that duplicate a card such as Doppelganger or Mask of the phantasm as they leave the targeted card unaffected, though it could be debatable.
Myschly on 11:36, 29. Jan, 2010
Fragile does sound like an interesting concept. Definitely better than reworking New or anything like that.
Chrone on 15:45, 29. Jan, 2010
Fragile is interesting concept, but without introduction of cards that really need it it is just another useless idea.
DPsycho on 18:27, 29. Jan, 2010
Seeing as the thread began as an appeal by someone who wants to create such cards, I think it's hardly "useless" as you put it.
Noak on 18:43, 29. Jan, 2010
I really liked this so i suggest a new keyword!
Fragile: If the card drops the newflag it will be discarded

Could possibly be that its replaced by something, please give some feedback
DPsycho on 19:23, 29. Jan, 2010
I don't think it's implementable as you've proposed.
Lord_Earthfire on 19:52, 30. Jan, 2010
I could think about a way with which this is implementable. But for this, every card, which triggers the Fragile-Keyword, needs a special condition for these Cards. I think that this cause a huge amount of work.
DPsycho on 22:41, 30. Jan, 2010
My proposal handles it that way, and I only isolated four cards that would need to check for the target of their effect to be Fragile. For only four cards, it seems it should be manageable.
Mojko on 10:34, 31. Jan, 2010
I would prefer not the implement the Fragile keyword in it's current form. Although it may be possible to implement, I would prefer to avoid card/keyword effects that trigger when some other card is played.
Noak on 10:50, 31. Jan, 2010
yeah i kind of thought it would be messy somehow, hence my original idea, the if new keyword is really messed upp by renewal and magic portal making the "if new" flag not so much of a drawback since its relatively easy to generate a new flag
Mojko on 11:35, 31. Jan, 2010
How about tweaking the Renewal and Portal itself? For example adding an additional cost based on targeted card rarity or its cost? Or even restricting the effect to only some rarity types - commons only for example.
Lord Ornlu on 12:19, 31. Jan, 2010
restricting it to commons is a good idea.
DPsycho on 15:04, 31. Jan, 2010
That would mean that you could no longer use Portal to move a Rare card you're trying to save until you have the resources to play it out of the way of an opponent's card like Elemental storm or Mirror golem, a usefulness that has nothing to do with the New flag.
Noak on 15:36, 31. Jan, 2010
just make them unable to target cards that have "if new"?
Myschly on 17:41, 31. Jan, 2010
Or how about keyword "Haste" = If New blabla, and renewal has "card without Haste"?