MArcomage

Excellent. Here we have the oft-suggested but never-quite-perfected card to cause revealed cards to become hidden in a way that isn't completely arbitrary. Just watch out for Trigger trap and other effects that will be enabled for your opponent while your entire hand is New.

It would be good with Breeze too.

This is like the Uncommon version of Wind. I like it!

It's good also in combo with emissary of the afterlife.
Maybe too good

Maybe the Whirlwind shouldn't add newcad flags.

The fact is that it apperently discards the whole hand (similar to renewal). Is it no possible to give the new flag without the discarding part?

It actually works the other way around. What is displayed in the discarded cards is derived from hand before and after played card and newcard flags. If you look at Whirlwind code, you'll see this:

$newcards = array (1=> 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1);
$mydata->NewCards = $newcards;

This explicitly sets newcard flags to all cards in your hand.

Now I understand. I was looking for the discard line, no wonder i didn't find it.
yes, i see also renewal works in the same way.
still it's strange to have a card in the discard pile when you actually haven't discard it.

Well, the current system can't see the difference between redrawing the same card and setting the newcard flag. However I think it's a good tradeoff, because the system works without the need for every card that discards cards from hand, explicitly update the discard pile. This is not an implementation problem, but rather a design decision.

I think it should continue to give the New flag. If the card in a given position is not the same as it was on the previous turn, it's New insofar as keeping track of what is what.

As far as generating a Discard pile, I'm fine either way. It makes an arguable difference in playing Undead and a definite difference in hidden games.

DPsycho wrote:
As far as generating a Discard pile, I'm fine either way. It makes an arguable difference in playing Undead and a definite difference in hidden games.

O_O

I just got a sudden urge to bring my undead deck out of retirement.

Mojko wrote:
Maybe the Whirlwind shouldn't add newcad flags.

i don't like this solution. whirlwind is good to renew cards like Rage of Urk.
the only problem is the combo with the emissary that it's kinda illegal since it exploits a loophole of the system.
To avoid that we shuold change emissary adding a line: no effect after a quick/swift card.

I suppose we can move this thread to the balance section

Didn't Emissary used to only return discarded Undead cards to hand positions without the Undead keyword? Or am I confusing it with another card? If it did that now, the most it could effectively use would be four cards returned with the possibility that the card drawn after Whirlwind was also Undead reducing it to three returned.

If we did that (not sure if this was true in the past, as I came here only a year ago), then that would tie Emmisarry to Corpse Behemoth only. I agree with the restriction of Emissary functioning after Quick/Swift Cards, but don't forget that we are talking about an Uncommon card and I think it needs a little more chance that it will deal a good amount of damage than just after playing one card.