MArcomage

dimitris wrote:
And how can you do this with a 300 wall in front of you?

If you're knocking down the entire wall when your opponent has this in hand, you'd either better have a card designed to counter that, or you deserve what you get.

Ideally in my example, drawing Dragon squadron forces your opponent to play Laputa at a less-than-optimal time to quickly gain some wall, possibly at the expense of a bit of tower. And, as I framed it, it's far from the most likely scenario.

LMTR14 wrote:
pardon my observation, but your observations seem to be pretty DAFT!

Calling an assessment of numbers and averages daft is about as far from an "observation" as you can get. Really, if you're going to come new to this game, play a handful of matches, threaten to leave if your demands that something be "banned" rather than offering discussion to improve the offending card, and then fling insults at a moderator, my response to you is simply that your departure is more your loss than ours.

Now, if you'd like to offer reasonable thoughts and suggestions for improvements to the card, by all means, let's discuss.

Noak wrote:
this card could easily do without the wall part, making it affect only your tower still doesn't make it a bad card

This sounds reasonable for long mode, and I would advocate that, but in standard mode it would render the card rather unappealing. You're better off taking cheaper cards to double your tower or simply increase it by static values.

but more often than not (especially in long mode) you've already knocked down most of your opponents wall when he draws it, and even if you didn't no one really builds much wall meaning you'll have 200+ wall even if not attacked at all

Yes, but we're discussing different situations here. You're talking about favorably playing it immediately, whereas I was discussing the limbo of the opponent having it in hand waiting for the right moment and you having to sit on your hands not to grant that opportunity.

CAN BE COUNTERED WITH A LOT OF DISCARDING OR ATTACK CARDS: with 20/20/20 you gain the ultimate defence! In order to destroy 150 or 300 wall you need a hell of a lot of resources to play Byakko, Arthoria, Lord of time or All-elemental attack etc and in order to discard it you need to put discarding cards in your deck and you also need to be able to see it. So this card makes it necessary for people to sacrifice their card slots, in order to counter the possibility of this card being in enemy's deck, because if it is you are screwed. So much for game diversity...

NOT USEFUL IN CONSTRUCTION DECKS???? Gimme a break guys. You play this and you can build your tower in your own time whenever you want.

PLAYABLE ONLY ONCE: you only need to play it once

NOT PLAYABLE IF TOWER IS HIGH: Same argument as NOT USEFUL IN CONSTRUCTION DECKS

Overall it's a nice concept to counter killer cards, but it's just too powerful. I still believe it's too cheap for its effect. At least make it situational (i.e. If Wall = 0, if Tower < 30 or smth)

Lord wrote:
and in order to discard it you need to put discarding cards in your deck and you also need to be able to see it. So this card makes it necessary for people to sacrifice their card slots, in order to counter the possibility of this card being in enemy's deck, because if it is you are screwed. So much for game diversity...

I do think that Laputa is probably overpowered, but this is a bit of a silly argument. I don't think there are many experienced players who build decks without discarding cards nowadays. They don't uniquely counter Laputa - they're useful against every deck type imaginable, and they've become an essential part of any deck.

Agreed that Laputa is very powerfull but as stated a few times, it's not unbeatable.
I have beat it down several times and achieved destruction victory, even in long mode.
You just need to plan ahead a bit

BoneTrash wrote:

You just need to plan ahead a bit

This is mostly in non-hidden mode. In hidden mode 9 out of 10 times you're taken by surprise when somebody plays this card.

why no Laputa change in the new update? nerf this f***ing card!

There is a change in long mode - now max wall is 225, not 300. And that wall can be killed with one Dragon Squadron.

LMTR14 wrote:
why no Laputa change in the new update? nerf this f***ing card!

dude chill out a bit. You are playing the game for free, so you can't come along and demand stuff that way from the people who actually sat down and worked to make this game playable and to keep it working for so long, dedicating time from their own lives and busting their asses to keep people happy. Show a little respect. Otherwise, if you don't like it... well you can bugger off. Mojko and UltraMage, if anything, they deserve our thanks, not our anger. If you've got a complaint do it in a more respectful manner.


EDIT: @dindon, well maybe I overexagerated a bit there (abt discarding cards). You are right

Could we tone down the language a bit, please? As a game that can appeal to all ages across multiple nationalities, we should probably avoid the unnecessary use of certain words that would be found offensive by native speakers of any language.

(In this case, if unclear for non-native speakers, the offensive word is "f***ing." The base term is considered as a more extreme vulgarity in many English-speaking countries. There was a bit of controversy a few years back when an American television broadcast let an adverb form of the word be broadcast nationally that resulted in fines and apologies.)

We don't have a policy on this at present that I can locate, though, so I'm not censoring it. This probably merits discussion in its own thread.

LMTR14 wrote:
why no Laputa change in the new update? nerf this f***ing card!

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There are many other less vulgar ways how to express the fact that you think some card is overpowered. Please do so next time.

Laputa the Flying fortress was weakened indirectly in the recent update due to changes in long mode game constants. Maximum tower was reduced to 150 from 200 and maximum wall was reduced to 225 from 300.

ok that's f***ing it
f**k this community and f**k this game!!!

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Ok, you asked for it. Access rights for LMTR14 changed to limited. I doubt anyone will miss you on this forum.

I don't approve of people being unreasonably angry and outright mean, so I am not against such a ban being implemented. However, why block out his vulgarity?

I ask because I want to make sure that the banning is for his behavior, and not for his language. Is it against regulations here for me to use vulgarity? If so, why?

EricHerboso, we are discussing the topic of vulgar language and acceptable site behavior presently in this thread. Please voice your opinions so we can form specific guidelines for site visitors.

LMTR14 was not banned, he just can't use the forum anymore. He can still play games if he wants. I did this based not so much on the language, but rather on his behavior. Sadly, on many forums there are always people like him and IMHO they do not contribute to the discussion in any way. On the contrary - these people have a tendency to repulse other users.

To get back to the topic, due to changes made to long mode in the recent update i think it is more reasonable, but i still think even with the changes it is OP. Even if it is a rare card i still think the effect is to big for the cost. Removing the stock gain or increasing it's cost to 23 or 25 of each resource would be imo more balanced.

This card is still too good. Other building cards (see Citadel of Myr) cost a lot of one resource, making them harder to play. I suggest making this card bricks-only at a cost of around 50 (comparing this to the Unliving Dragon).

No I think it's fairly OK now, compared to Castle Beyond the Looking Glass they are averagely the same