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Lord_Earthfire on 17:44, 19. Feb, 2010
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With the new Keyword-Changes, this Card is too far imbalanced because of the new Legend Keyword:

Before the Update:

Production with Max N:x6/x6/x6 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 54 Recources)
with Alliance Keyword: x12/x12/x12 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 108 Recources)
with Legend a. Alliance: x12/x12/x12 (With all Facilitys = 4 : 144 Recources)

After the Update:
Production with Max N: x12/x12/x12 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 108 Recources)
With full legend Keyword: x18/x18x18 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 162 Recources)
with alliance a. Legend: x18/x36/x18 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 216 Recources)

And with more Facilitys, its almost a direct Victory and the chance is high to gain another Ancient Sage with the Nature Keyword. For me, this is too imbalanced for 10/10/10.

I would say to change the text like this:

Production xN/2
N = #Alliance + #Nature cards on hand (max 8)
Then the Production at the start, without keywords, would be equal to 8 and with one rare it would be equal to 12. Only the new alliance Keyword would be a problem....
Damalycus on 14:38, 22. Jun, 2011
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This card is almost useless. If you got 3/3/3 facilities - you basically gain +5 stock.
It's only usefull when you got like 5/5/5 - and when you do - you get stock easily in other ways
NG_Beholder on 14:56, 22. Jun, 2011
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Damalycus wrote:
This card is almost useless. If you got 3/3/3 facilities - you basically gain +5 stock.
It's only usefull when you got like 5/5/5 - and when you do - you get stock easily in other ways

+5 stock for free, +1 lowest facility for free (almost always working in Nature decks because of keyword effect), and combo with another Nature for free. Buff it and there will be a ton of complaints about overpowered Nature.
The only thing I don't like in this card is Legend keyword, because this card absolutely doesn't fit Mage/Legend decks, and Summon master summoning Ancient sage after 2-3 turns of preparations is sad. "Lowest facility: +1" should be in card text instead of keyword. Maybe with changed condition.
Fithz Hood on 12:31, 4. Feb, 2012
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What's the situation now with this card?
I want it to have Alliance keyword again to help Alliance deck.
Lord_Earthfire on 16:22, 4. Feb, 2012
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I would agree now, since many changes have appeared since i made my first post here. Right now, it seems pretty weak for a rare.
Aliance would need something like the old ancient sage.
MeCho on 11:20, 25. Jun, 2015
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This card is too weak compared to Miriam and as someone has said it spoils my Mage/Legend deck a +1 to lowest facility instead of legend keyword would fix the Mage/Legend problem and help with the buff that is needed but im not sure this buff is enough it would definetly help though
MeCho on 11:19, 29. Jun, 2015
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Perhaps a Alliance keyword as well as lowest facility +1 instead of Legend
Lord_Earthfire on 13:18, 2. Jul, 2015
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I believe that it should keep the legend keyword.

I believe that Mage/Legend decks are already powerfull enough. Almost every summon card has a hit or miss chance, and i believe that a tool to balance these cards.
And its not like Bahamut is that great when summoned either...

But i agree that the ancient sage needs a buff. I would either decrease the cost or up the cap of the card, to make it more playable.

And anyway, we need more alliance cards to make this card great again....
MeCho on 13:38, 2. Jul, 2015
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There are already plenty of aliance cards and legend keyword IS messed up
Lord_Earthfire on 10:19, 6. Jul, 2015
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Well:

1. how many allaince decks are out there?
2.How many defensive allaince cards are avaible and playable.

Since many of the alliance cards were turned into runic cards, the deck is almost unplayable.


And Legend was never a koexisting archetype. Many legend cards are very powerfull (All unicorns have great damage output and almost any legend rare is a finisher). Its compareable in that sence with the rare Nature cards, which got also a healthy hit or miss chance. Semmoning master should and can be used in mage decks to seek for a way to quickly end the game.

There is really only 1 archetype-specific card in the legend card set. Any other card you can summon will create some inpact on the game. And you call that messed up? then you hould better look at the illusion keyword...
lim0821zzz on 13:10, 6. Jul, 2015
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Lord_Earthfire wrote:
With the new Keyword-Changes, this Card is too far imbalanced because of the new Legend Keyword:

Before the Update:

Production with Max N:x6/x6/x6 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 54 Recources)
with Alliance Keyword: x12/x12/x12 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 108 Recources)
with Legend a. Alliance: x12/x12/x12 (With all Facilitys = 4 : 144 Recources)

After the Update:
Production with Max N: x12/x12/x12 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 108 Recources)
With full legend Keyword: x18/x18x18 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 162 Recources)
with alliance a. Legend: x18/x36/x18 (With all Facilitys = 3 : 216 Recources)

And with more Facilitys, its almost a direct Victory and the chance is high to gain another Ancient Sage with the Nature Keyword. For me, this is too imbalanced for 10/10/10.

I would say to change the text like this:

Production xN/2
N = #Alliance + #Nature cards on hand (max 8)
Then the Production at the start, without keywords, would be equal to 8 and with one rare it would be equal to 12. Only the new alliance Keyword would be a problem....
Lord_Earthfire on 13:30, 6. Jul, 2015
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At that times, the legend keyword was different. It ha nothing to do with the new legend keyword,which is completely fine as it is.

Ancient sage was some times one of the strongest rares for the alliance and nature keyword. It then was nerfed with a cap (which is adressed in the post you quoted). And at that times, it still had the alliance keyword, which was removed either. And at that times, legend increased the production either.

This three things have changed and with this the power of this card dropped. The only thing is that i dont see why the card should be further nerfed by removing the legend keyword. The only thing i see is to decrease its cost and increase its cap (I dont like the alliance keyword on this one because it can really spike some times).

Edit: Things changed within five years. That should be kept in mind when quoting things.
MeCho on 15:00, 6. Jul, 2015
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im not saying we should nerf Ancient sage opposite im saying we should buff it by changing legend keyword into a Lowest facility +1 which is a buff and adding Aliance keyword possibly trigering a Production x10 im advising this becouse Miriam is way better with only 1 less production it ALWAYS gives 4x and with the help of Aliance keyword a x8 production where Ancient sage gives x5 tops also Miriam summons non common Aliance AND has lower overall cost
Lord_Earthfire on 15:12, 6. Jul, 2015
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I understand that point and i would agree for a buff of the ancient, but im sceptical because of the keyword.
Its just hard for me to understand the justification of the removal of the legend keyword only because it can be sometimes summoned within the mage/Legend keyword. Its the same like summoning Forest dragon in a dragon deck.

I would choose some effect to mitigate the spikes the card could create (which were a problem of the card) and instead add something that other decks can benefit either like:

Production: x(N+3)
N = #Alliance + #Nature in hand (max 7)

So at least you would have always production x4 and you can achieve x10 production, which is higher than miriam. I would still lower the cot of the sage, though
MeCho on 15:32, 6. Jul, 2015
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i would still prefer my fix but your fix is better then no fix at all
MeCho on 14:52, 23. Feb, 2016
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No seriously this card only function as a way to nerf Ancient city much like Forest dragon for Dragon decks however nature decks CAN and likely will use Forest dragon when Ancient sage is complete crap for both Nature and Alliance just compare it to Miriam it so much stronger a lower cost with always granting almost as much as sages maximum benefit AND it will summon uncommon Alliance maybe even self or other super resource boosting rare Alliance card im not sure even why i am pointing with my finger to this its so obvious a human with significantly impaired mental capabilities should know which one is clearly better i cant believe no action what so ever is taken
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